Queensland Transport and Main Roads Minister Paul Lucas said opposition to the tough new line was expected.
We realise some of these changes won t please everyone, particularly young people, but their lives are at stake and we have had to make hard decisions, Mr Lucas said.
State driver groups, including the RACQ and MTAQ, had been instrumental in shaping the reforms, he said.
Queensland Opposition Leader Lawrence Springborg said some of the new licensing measures were over the top.
In a decentralised state such as Queensland, several of the rules will be extremely difficult to enforce and will be open to abuse, Mr Springborg said.
What s more, the reforms discriminate against new drivers under 25 by being fairly lenient on new drivers over that age.
Confidence on the roads comes down to driving experience, not age.
RACQ spokesman Gary Fites said restricting the use of high-powered vehicles would be hard to monitor.
It was the only one of the new measures that we (the RACQ) weren t so sure about, Mr Frites said.
I am located in Queensland and although these rules don t apply to me I have to say, honestly, the more rules and regulations that are put in place to limit Young Drivers from driving, the worse things will get. I would like to see the police enforcing the high-powered cars rule. For a start, who will classify what cars as high powered?
What will constitute a high powered car? Will it be a blanket No V8s, no Turbocharger, no Supercharger approach? Would that mean kids can t drive their parents Nissan Patrol?
Or take the landcruiser for a spin? What about dad s V8 commodore? How will that work?
I would like RACQ to tell me if one single person under 25 was even consulted for these changes, 12 month learners period is simply just stupid. The longer the period the more chance of learner drivers on the road without a license. 12 months is just enormous!
If you are getting your learners you are keen to get your drivers license and whilst I agree that not everyone with a drivers license knows how to drive, I can t imagine why RACQ and QLD transport are only targeting young drivers!
Why is that the driving courses still require drivers to do a parallel park when they never teach you what todo if your the car of it you ve lost control in the wet, or how to deal with a car with ABS etc etc? Why does the QLD government always take the easy way out of trying to fix the road toll problem.
Its not a two step process of putting more speed cameras and tougher laws. There needs to be more education for younger drivers and less restrictions. Many young Drivers will always want to speed, so why not give the chance to do just that in a safe environment?
Furthermore, 100 hours of supervised learning before taking the test? Are they serious? Who can afford that!
What if the young driver going for his or her test doesn t have their parents car to practise on? Are they going to pay $40/hr for 100 hours to get that log book filled up? Thats $4,000!
What about the complete lack of attention to older drivers who are also a menace on the road? Why isn t there new regulation to require a special 4WD license for people to drive big 4WDs in the city? There needs to be understanding by the Government and RACQ (whom I have now lost all utter respect for) to realize that young drivers are not the source of the problem.
Sure they might have a higher accident rate, but thats mainly due to lack of experience and 100 hours of paid lessons is simply over the top, instead of the 100 hours they need to make the driving test much harder, and include real world situations in a proper testing environment on a track so they can take the car out of control. If they want safety, this isn t the solution. Dear God!
Seems like Australian transport authorities are getting dumber and dumber. Its hard to keep myself from going on Sick of speed cameras? Can't afford to lose your license as a result of speeding tickets?
No problem! Move to Sigh. I really can't think of a better word to explain my feelings about QLD transports new campaign to reduce Well, well, well.
Aren t these laws laughable.
Whats not stopping people filling out the book anyway, even though they have not driven? Someone could just do 10 hours driving and put down 100.
It prooves nothing.
Quote 2: Restricting all mobile phone use, including hands-free, blue-tooth accessories, and loud-speaker functions, for learner and P1 provisional licence holders under 25 and restricting mobile loud-speaker functions for supervisors and passengers of learner and P1 provisional licence holders under 25 while under instruction.
My oh my how will this be policed.
All handsfree kits have automatic answer and auto hang up. I use mine all the time. Its fantastic.
So how will the police know im using one? I could just be singing along to a song on the radio. And same thing with the passengers.
This will mean disaster for young apprentices. Diesel HiLux s and so forth are commonly used for work vehicles and can be turbo d. This is for the extra pulling power to pull heavy machinery and parts, not for speed.
Useless if your not going to enforce speed restrictions.
What the bloody hell is a suspended driver doing on the road in the first place?
Whats not to say that someone over the age of 21 isn t mature enough?
I know plenty of hoons and reckless drivers over the age of 21. If your going to make this a rule, make it on all ages. This rule will also annoy tradesmen.
Sorry Queensland Police and Queensland Transport, this is a case of go home and try again. i just had to say dat, nd i rekon gud on da rules will be gud at stoppin sum up cumin hoons step in da ryt direction but da fact is da new generation pays for da mistakes of current hoons real gud justice these dayz ay.
still dont affect me but if dey did i think dey need to reconsider da performance car ones more hoons in shiit boxes dese dayz stupid holden hoons den hot modded cars that hav drivers dat take alot of care not to scratch em nd stuff.
No matter wat happens u will alwayz have da so called hardcore fully sik drifers dat will take big bro s silvia or skyline nd crash into da nearest pole, young ppl 2day like breakin rules nd da satisfaction of gettin away wid it. so like most suggestions go driver awareness programs to educate u silly ppl wantin to b da nxt TAKUMI or DRIFT KING.
datz just my view, i know u guyz rekon it sux but memba it will save lives nd for one more life saved it makes da whole thing worth it.
HAS NEONE ASKING QUESTION ACTUALLY READ DA LEGISLATION???
If u can manage to get ur Ps b4 July nxt year u r safe from the new legislation all together and it doesnt effect you, datz ryt no P1 or P2 or P-plates on ur car. this is bcuz when u get ur Ps under the current law u have them for 3yrs or wateva nd get ur opens (cant wait)and bcuz the new law is not mandatory yet the old rules only apply. da rest of u youngin z will be SKREWED by the new laws(enjoy mums 20kw atw, excel).
About enforcement of the laws, as many hav said it will b difficult to enforce handsfree etc well dese dayz copz can get u busted for nethin they hav da power nd dey can do wat dey want wid it MY ADVICE IS DONT BE A COCK and ull b fine
Y u all sayin skrew da government nd new road rules???
der made for a reason, and that is to save lives. so if da whole of QLD is to suffer to save one extra life its still worth it, ive done heaps of research on dis topic nd at first seemed like dey wer all bein a bunch of A-grade tossers but i was wrong dey did it to save ppl (and make cash on da side cheap bastards)
Ohh one other thing sum guy said b4 bannin cars wid compressors aint gona solve a thing bcuz a FULLY SIK V6 can be just as quik wen tuned up ryt yeh well unda new legislations modifications are bein banned as well so enjoy STOCKO v6 which im pretty sure will struggle to beat turbo cars. my solution get an any NA import all can b quik, Integra VTEC, Civic VTEC, FTO, Satria GTi, 206 GTi, pulsar SSS, Mazda 3 SP23 (dis car is crazy a stocko one beat a s14 nd 180sx both slightly modded turboed SR20s too) these 4cyl cars are eco for u cheap ass nd hammer good plus safe them bein front wheel drive (dont try hand brake slide outs yes its dangerous ive seen a Yaris try it dumbass spun out nd hit a tree)
i turn 16 in april of next year.
in july?
or do i have to wait until im 16 and a half?
because the new law comes in after my birthday?
does this mean between 5am and 11pm you can have the normal amount of passengers? HAHA IM BAK TO FIX DA BAD LANGUAGE ND MIS-INTURPRETATIONS U 15yr old, grade 10 boyz nd gurlz are experiencing!!
However id b worried if my mechanic nd wanted ur DREAM CAR that is a soarer yes da motor is quite gud but datz bout it, der too FAT dey aint dat pretty nd fuel, well it aint got ne left in da tank afta u start da thing up it dont get mad im comparin to da GTR park in ma drive way.
newayz no one else to correct, so dont be a fool nd stay in skool so u dont end up being a mechanic who drives a Soarer Oooh. I wouldn t go saying that mrs tibbles .
. not at all.
The rules are stupid.
A lot of young people drive stupid, not all though.
These rules make everyone in that age group suffer.
The government is full of idiots who put no thought into anything.
It s all about the money - the world revolves around it.
It s nearly a year away - maybe it ll change by then? I m 40yo, I live in Victoria, yeah, yeah I know F.
.ck off.
Well as you say, I ll do want I want.
I do wish these laws did exist in Victoria, as stupid as they sound
I lost my lifetime Best FRIEND/Buddy/Mate back in 2003, to a young _licensed_ idiot with a V8 Commode who speed @ 190+km/h hitting my best friends car and killing him, not instantly but BURNED TO DEATH, with onlookers watching listening to him scream for help, cause they couldn t put the fire out or get close enough. YES the F**ckwit is in jail, however that ll NEVER bring back my best mate .
I have also lost 3 other people due to idiots driving over the last 20 years.
Stiff you say, well, tell that to his now 5yo Boy and Wife of 5 years .Imagine it if was YOUR Parent/Partner/Friend or Mate. or don t you give a shit?
???
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If these laws WERE in place, he WOULD be still here today, cause the young dick wouldn t have been able to reach the 190+km/h, within 500 or so metres from the onramp before hitting my friends car. He obviously could not drive as well as HE THOUGHT.
Yes the rules are crap, but because idiots like the you lot above who say f* ck you, I ll do what when I want .
Well back at ya, dickheads like YOU; ARE THE REASON Changes like this have to been made, you remember those little illegal street drags you practice in the most obvious of places, or donuts.
You try to beat em, they make it harder, maybe they should raise the age back up to 21 to get a license!
!!!
Now that cars can be consfiscated in Vic, Street Drags have all but stopped, I guess nobody wants to loose their ride . but then some of their mates probably don t realise, it is in a way to their avdvantage. Now they don t have to worry which direction they have to run when some idiot, rooky driver MATE looses control into the crowd, that s why street legal drags are held.
YES it costs you money, but for your money you get ambulance and Fire fighters on standby on the spot.
Oh finally to all those who are so f* cking smart that they WON T??
be caught, it s only a matter of when.
Cops will only have to check ANY car that meets those criteria(specs for those of you that can t speak English), check you your ride. BINGO you re history.
And to just piss you off, How did I get my license, I was told to drive around the block 
P.S.
Just remember, you might be bored, but if you follow the rules, more of you might actually make it to an older age THEN YOU ARE AFFECTED!
I hope that helps I know this sucks but there isn t much you can do!!
Peace Out!
i m just finishing gr12 and went to plenty of parties and the designated driver thing never really happend, it is a good tool for argueing against the new rules however.
what worries me most about the driver restrictions is that it s a blanket under21 thing, not just 16-21 or whatever so it fucks over young parents.
least i m not effected at all, haaaaa i think that some of these new rules r just absolutely stupid like as comment 10 has said HOW THE HELL R THEY GoING TO ENFORCE AND GOVERN THE BLUE TOOTH STUFF AS IT CAN B DONE BY VOICE NOW (well i know my phone can not sure bout some of the others)plus if ther putting restrictions on phones y not radios and cb s ther just as bad!!!
and this power restriction rule as i was going to b a trady but saw the rules that r enforced in NSW and well i culdnt b one, and i didnt overlly enjoy going around in ppls sewers, like sreiously i think they wer using the toilet at the time we wer trying to unclog it.
some of the new rules r good but most of them i just sat ther and fuking laughed at!!
! i like the log book idea of 100hrs as nsw has a 50hr log book. but if learner learns to drive in a v8 wen they get ther p s they shuld b able to drive a fuken v8 as they wuld already know how to drive one its only if ther driving pussy as 4cylinders that they wuldnt know how to handle the extra power and most of the time rear wheel drive.
To be completely honest- ive had to many friends in car accidents, due to stupid little things.
I think these are worth enforcing because face it, somepeople are just UNCO- - - - mobile phones are the worst!!
Although i struggle to find the solution to enforcing these rules to the full extent of the law, the Bluetooth and other mobile device restrictions are a good start.
To save a friends life, this is a small price to pay. Im going to shed light on all you kids who turn 16 and 6 months between july 1 and december 31.
because it pissed me off that i couldnt get my p s until 17 and 6 months.
there is a crossover.
this is an email sent to ME.
not to one of my friends/neighbour/goverment person.
ME.
rules?
Should you require any further information, please contact Queensland
Transport on telephone 13 23 80 between 8am and 5pm, Monday to Friday
YAY FOR US YOUNGINS!!
Just posting, with these new passenger restrictions of carrying only one passenger under 21.
. this will just get more young people on the road driving around cause they can t go in the car with there friend, and hence cause more accidents, nice work there Qld Gov *big thumbs up*
as well as causing more accidents..
this is gonna damage the environment more.. more cars means more emissions.
. guess they didn t really think this thru too well..
although the rules are there for a reason, to protect us.
I think i m lucky enough to miss out on this law, as i m going for my driving test in the next month..
so i think i may miss out on these laws, but i think this is all a bit unfair for those people who already have awesome V8 cars or supercharged cars.. they shouldn t have to sell them, haha.
. i only own a lil shitty festiva..
so i don t have that issue =P unless u class that as a sports car haahahhaha..
i think that if the government wants to bring in these rules then they should, they aren t trying to disadvantage people, these rules had to be brought in at some time and now is just when its happening.
personally i dont think that its the youths fault that we dont know how to drive as safely as those of a older age. when it comes down to it the testing that we go through isn t that severe. we have one writen test and then we are able to get behind the wheel and then we have one prac test and we are considered to be able to drive.
i am not saying that they should make the testing harder but it shouldn t be writen all over the net on how to do it, we should only be given the booklets telling us about all the information and road rules, but thats it.
also i find it ridiculus that stores dont have the booklets in stock, for the past three weeks i have tried to purchase one from mulitple stores and all of them say that they have just run out, what bullshit, order more! if they want us to learn the rules then make the information more available to us!
if u want to go fast and die by all means.. y do u think these rules are coming in.
. cause dickheads like u people saying fuk the cops and all that get fast cars and don t know how to drive them and crash..
and if there are people in the car well looks like they r fuked.. think bout it u crash and kill people in your car cause u are being a dickhead well guess what.
. u get put for mansloughter..
now i don t think anyone wants to go to jail..
i have said what i want.
thnx 1. I turn 16 on June 23rd, does that mean i have to wait until im 16 and a half to get my learners and still have them for a year or do i just get them on July 1st and have them for a year?
2.
I get my P s after July 1st so does that mean im not allowed to drive a v6 on the road?
3.What are the night cerfews?
Meaning passengers?
It might just be the fact that I m on an open licence talking here, but I think these rules might be an okay idea. I mean, it all sounds as complicated as hell, but each rule essentially makes sense.
In the light of the three young people killed in Buderim a month ago, I think the changes are very important and timely. What is the attraction of a suped up car? I drive a slow little lawnmower and I have no problems getting around.
I can meet all speed limits and in fact, in the folly of youth, I got two speeding tickets and rolled my car. I thought I was the best thing out, that I knew what I was doing and I m a mature, sensible, patient young person, so I can hardly imagine what a wild person of 18 would get up to.
It s experience.
I was a bit shocked to go driving with a couple of learners recently just to notice the confidence with which they made mistakes. They just could not see their impatience and their error. One has since attained her P s.
I could remember my own mother telling me off for the same things and my biting back that I knew what I was doing. I wish I d known how vulnerable I really was in my first car. I took a corner too hard with sun in my eyes and flipped into a ditch.
Crawling out of an upside down car unhurt teaches you a couple of things.
So look. Think about how vulnerable you were when you were learning to walk before you slag off a set of rules which really only seek to protect you and the other people on the road (people who are going about their business trusting that you re not going to endanger their lives).
Hey, i am 16 on the 4th of Jan,
does that mean once july hits and the new laws are in place i can obtain my car learners lisence?
and another thing,
if i turn 16 on Jan 4th, can i obtain my RE bikes lisence before the law is enforced? Bloddy hell .
. this is fukn BS . i dun have 4000 buks just to drive around for 100 hrs.
. i have betta things to do with that money . nd bout supercharged cars .
i wantd and 180sx tuned but now their ruined i have to live with shit boxes of cars that have nothn unique bout them . all the stock shit from them gay manufactures. i realy hope the gov get their act together and read all this .
. cos all de people are just pissed of like me..
i know far too many people who are on my side and not half of the people are already drivin. they just rekn it ruins their lives or kids who are large car enthusiasts and have spend or saved their money to get a decent car that they love to drive. but now its just become a livin hell to live through baby shits to learn how to drive.
smoe1 should assasinate the howard dude.. its just so gay to live like this.
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i always thought that the gov is tryin to save the planet nd they are askn us to frive 100 hrs for nothn. gr8.
. its a lot of pollution their maken to the world..
theres like a few million people gonna e drivn around and i think the world might just blow up just when they get heir opens
thier should be a big band of people to debate this agin cos the person who acutally made all thse rules up should be hanged and tortured i realy doubt this will change the teenagers driving but just make it worse.
thats my say..
FUKN JOHNNY HOWARD ASSSSSSSSSSSSSS is anyOne out there gonna stop complaning and answer this inportant question 4FUCKSAKE LoL,
I can go 4 my driving test a few weeeks B4 july the 1st 
and on top of that i woz wondering if i get a car with rego sey a V8 . .
. does that mean i can drive it till my rego runs out i mean its not like tha government hav made every citizen know about these new laws and on top of that theres nothink really stopping me from doin it. .
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so it comes down to this if i do all that b4 july first 1st should i b ok .
. sence its not done afta these new laws come in , Thanks for anyOne out there with sum heLp. .
. ok so some people cant read.
if you turn 16 BEFORE july 1 or turn 16 and 6 months between july 1 and december 31.
which may be 6 months it may be 8 it may be 10 but keep in mind you are getting it earlier than you normally would if you were under the old rules.
they are in place so you dont kill others.
yes i sound like an ass kiss but im just glad i can drive before im 25.
because we all know thats next.
if you turn 16 and 6 months BEFORE july 1.
lucky you you still have to follow the P1 and P2 crap.
so if your birthday next year is between january 1 and june 30.
congratulations you get your learners on july 1.
D.
T you asked me if these rules apply yes sorry they do. sucks to be us does the qld government have a drip of fucking cocaine into their vein.
i got my p s 6 months ago,and was given a bmw m5 on my learners, way before any laws had come out relating to restrictions on high powered vehichles.
how the fuck can they stop me driving a car that i own, when they didn t give me adequate notice on the car i m supposed to drive.
last time i checked, a 2006 m5 is worth around $200,000 and if i have to sell it, there isn t any replacement cars worth that much. what the fuck do they want me to drive a queerass suzuki swift?
even if i did sell it and downgrade to a cheaper car, what the fuck do i want with the excess money, not sounding rude or anything, but i don t want the extra money, it s not like i want to have two cars, or invest my money in shares or a business. while i m young i want to enjoy it.
if qld transport wants to enforce these new laws, they should be expecting a large class action suit because since me amongst most of my friends drive high powered cars and enjoy them, we won t give them up without a fight.
since i don t want to sell my car, and neither do many car enthusiasts, the qld government should have to buy every single person under 25 owning a high powered vehicle, a car that fits within the regulations. it shouldn t be my burden, i have a more than adequate mode of transportation available, why should i have to buy another one? I think these rules are excellent.
. Altho there are a few things that will need too be fixed. I agree with the whole ppl with shit boxes are the ones that do the speeding and just a public retard .
But the ones in the Modified cars are the ones that think they can out run the police, or race friends on the streets with other mates in the car, and puts Innocent people at risk.
Young Drivers will have too comply with the new rules or they will have to face the consequences. Im 21 and i have had my open s for a yr, so these rules dont affect me.
I dont feel sorry for the young drivers of today.. i am happy for them that the government is protecting them
But all these rules are becuase of people my age now.
. and it does suck that i have too drive with these fuckheads on the road 100 hours for learner drivers?
With fuel prices going up and government adding a specific amount of hours to be undertaken, for some people it will be very costly.
Why introduce the law in mid year? It only makes it more confusing.
Why not at the start of the year.
I m 16 in april and I have been looking forward on getting my license nearly my whole teenage life.
Now knowing I will be getting it later than expected makes me and just about every other teenager really up set.
Don t just read what we quote, Take it in, and try to work something better for us out.
I believe, that the teenagers in the city are exrtemely inexperienced, compared to the teenagers growing up in the country. These horrific accidents occcuring to teenagers usually have been city KIDS. however teenagers in the country have got so much experience from such an early age that these accidents NEVER happen.
The city drivers think they can drive when they can t and getting into accidents.
Whilst us country farm people have been driving nearly our whole life and know the precautions and have to suffer terribly from this GAY rule!
I agree with what Mel said, don t just listen to our quotes, Take it in and try to work something better for us out.
they cant give us freedom then take it away from us (for those who have their p s prior to july 07) the new laws are just unreasonable. V8 s i can understand, but curfews and passenger limits ??
? if they cant police offences such as drink driving and speeding properly, how can they police the new laws? But really how many v8s do you see around town in comparison to to the road toll.
its not the v8s - its the bimbos driving around who arent fit for the road. idiots can kill themselves and others in any car that works. Besides the qld gov should take a look at the tourist and oldies - both groups usually dont abide by the qld road rules.
the victorians come up here and cant read our speed limits and sign posts. not to say our drivers are any better sometimes. My grandmother who recently moved to qld from england is a classic eg for the road rules - before changing her english licence to the qld licence she already had an accident(not fatal) because she didnt look for other cars when she was crossing an intersection.
. and still didnt have to prove her understanding of the qld road rules (ie sitting the learners exam and passing) but no, the laws changed recently and she only recieved a small fine for careless driving- CRAZY! its the stuborn old timers who are the real hazards on the road.
the government also recon driving and talking on mobile phones are another issue for p platers - honestly i do a fair bit of driving around and get annoyed when i see people driving on the same road as me whilst talking on their phones and its not the young people i see yappin away, infact its mothers with kids in the car == not only putting my life at risk, BUT HER OWN KIDS!!!
and thats supposed to be our fault??(p platers)
you want to know whatelse is unresonable - 100HOURS of driving lessons!
5 grand - most families cant afford that + fuel + another car for the up coming driver + rent / rates etc. where s the sense??
are the driving schools going broke or something?? because that is unreasonable.
i have seen people who went for regular driving lessons all the way through their 6 months still failed their test on the 1st plus times and still crap drivers. i had 6 lessons (6 hrs) with 2 months until my 6 month point, which my driving lesson instructor massively resented. even on my last lesson i was told i would fail because i needed more lessons and wasnt confident on the road - he stongly suggented i canceled my exam date he thought i was so crap!
after he picking me to pieces infornt of me to my mum, knocked my confidence to titanic levels, with a week to go till my test, ignorantly, i practiced up with my mum doing all what i was taught in the lessons and passed 1st time round with only 2 noncriticals - we re allowd 8. (my drive instructor marked about 16 noncriticals and 8 criticals in my practice test)
Alrite so there is some sense to the new laws, but bringing it in at the begining of the year would ve been the right thing to do.
SeaNo .
how old are you, clearly you have no friends and are like an old fart who has nothing better to do. (clearly i dont but meh im bored)
ye my grandma says there gud will stop alot of hooligans and i agree with the mobile phone thing PULLOVER PEOPLE!!
but the idiots are just goin to continue to do wat they want until the police target not age groups but just the people in general .more drink driving tests more speed cameras watever! just dont take it out on the young ones who hav to pay for other peoples mistakes
Hey ppl.
I ve had my Ps for 7 months. i think some people have got the wrong idea from some of the introductions to the laws. if u get your Ps before July 07, you will NOT be affected by the new laws.
So, if u already have ur license, and are driving a powerful car, and get ur license before the new laws are introduced, u wont be affected, since u wont be going into a P1 and P2 system. So these people will not need to worry about selling their car.
Overall though, i do believe the introduction of these laws is a good thing.
I have plenty of mates that have had their licenses for the 6 month period, and have had 10 lessons in the last month with no prior driving experience. They have limited driving experience, and lack the skills to detect hazards and drive safely. This can only come through time spent driving.
This makes the log book (combined with 12 months driving) a good idea, in my eyes. Keep in mind that it doesn t need to be a professional instructor that needs to sign it, just as long as they have an open license.
I have managed to drive a naturally aspirated 1600cc ford laser, pushing it to its limits, getting an awesome adrenaline rush.
however, i couldn t possibly trust myself in a car with any more than 100kw to the tonne. a car with that much power is simply not necessary. I am now driving a new honda civic that has a maximum speed of 200kph (never needs to be used at this speed) and gets from 0-100 in 10 seconds which, with very very little skill, is ample time to get onto any motorway.
Powerful cars are not necessary for anyone.
In regards to the regulation about the number of passengers between 11pm and 5am, i also do not believe it to be unfair, as u shouldn t be out in clubs(underage), or driving drunk friends home(underage). if u do decide to drink, stay the night, get yourself home before 11, take one mate home, or catch a taxi.
Despite my support for the introduction of these laws, i can see some clear flaws in the way they will be introduced. Firstly, i do not see it to be fair for people who have to hold their learners for 12 months, after they got it at 16.5 years of age, because they couldn t get it sooner.
I also consider it to be unfortunate for people who do not have a parent or guardian who can teach them to drive.
I also wanna respond to what hayle and Mel said about getting their learners. u can both get your learners on 1st july 07, and then go for your red Ps on 1st July 08.
this means waiting an additional 3 months to get your licenses. But, book months in advance, because there will be a huge surge of people wanting to go for their licenses on this date. The government is increasing their workload by not allowing u to obtain your learners at 16, 6 months before they change the laws.
They will regret it.
anyway, i ve said enough on the issue. there is a major flaw in the introduction of the system, but it will make our roads safer.
p.s. the fact sheet links at the bottom of this page can help u understand the new laws better.
i also want to add that, i have just read in a Learners Fact Sheet that some people will be given exemptions from the Log book if they do not have a close person who can assist them to obtain their license.
For the first 10 driving lessons that u get with a professional, each hour will be worth 3. So 10 hours will be worth 30 in the log book.
their licence before 1 July 2007?
drivers issued with a licence prior to this date. If a
learner licence is renewed after 1 July 2007, the new
learner licence was obtained before 1 July 2007, and
the government is stupid for a number of reasons.
restricting the use of high powered vehicles? well it doesnt matter how fast a car can accelerate or how much power it has. even a slow car can have a high top speed.
only being allowed to have one passenger in your car afte 11pm? that is crap. what if you go out late at night with your friends to dinner or somthing.
how are u sposed to get home if no one else can pick u up? walk? public transport?
taxi? im sure all of those options are much safer than getting a lift with a p plater who you know and can trust.
what the hell is a hazard perception test?
extending the learner period to 12 monhs is also a load of crap. who wants to be learning to drive for 12 months? this just means that there will be an even higher amount of learners driving without openlicensed drivers.
also if you are young and want to drive a motorbike? forget it. you have to have your car learners license for 12 months, get your p s, hold that for another 12 months and than you are eligible to get your motorbike learners.
and then i think you have to hold that for another 12 months. so all up if you get your learners when you are 16, get your p s when you are 17, you can get your motorbike learners when you are 18 and then get your motorbike license when you are 19.
so basically if u want to drive a motorbike.
you will have to wait till you are at least 19 (im pretty sure).
the government is gay. they are all old people.
did u know john howard is turning like 65 this year? how many people in government that are in there 20 s? i dont know anyone.
so there, no one is representing us in this argument. our age group has no voice.
you know that if 32% of fatalities on the roads are 17 - 24 year olds then the other 68% is 24 and above.
shouldnt the government be focusing on this age group as more of them are being killed? you know why they arent? because the people in the government would be making laws that restrict their own driving licenses.
and apperently they know what is better for us.
32% of 17 - 24 year olds died. exactly how many of them were hoons?
i personally know people who are my age that have died in car accidents. and they were accidents. they werent hooning.
also the government doesnt state wether these 32% of youg people fatalities were actually at the wheel when they died. they could have been just passengers when they died. their parents could have been driving them.
i think it is time for the government to retire and let us take control of the country (even if that does sound a bit dangerous)(well maybe not teenagers but at least younger people who are in their late 20 s or early 30 s) it is time for them to go to their retirement homes and let us have our say.
i can get my p s next month and im not happy at all about all this. i have been looking forward to getting my license for years and now im almost there and my priviledges are gunna be taken away from me to stop me from hurting myself .
i think that the fatalities are very minor. compared to other countries and also our population. people who want to speed and hoon should be allowed to and they will pay the price.
they ll lose their license, their car and maybe somthing more. a person can only learn through their mistakes. How can the Government do this.
I understand that they are worried, But make drivers get their learners at 17 when the kids have matured a bit more and still hold them for 6 months.
I m currently an apprentice on my L s and, I now, in 6 months will have to use my own vehicle for work instead of using the bosses turbo deisel. That means on my $250 weeks earnings I have to pay roughly instead of 1 tank of fuel costing $75, 2 tanks costing me roughly $150, services come quicker and at $350 each thats over a weeks pay, in between this im trying to save some money, I barely have a life anymore because of this license scheme and now I am being forced to buy a road bike so I can save money on fuel costing at least $4000 for something decent, thats not including rego and insurance every year.
But it gets better as I go on, you see the 100 hours of driving school lessons costing around $5000 will be a real style cramper seen as I only earn $8000 a year.
If the government cares that much about kids and the roads why don t they come up with a restricted license, stating that if you can prove you need the turbo or v8 for work you can own it. Really has noone in their high payed job ever sat back and thought about what the consequenses of what this would be, I now as a kid getting my license in 6 months or so have grown a deep hate for the government and the police.
More people get stabbed every week than they do die in a car crash so why not do something about that.
In the end all I see is a bunch of idiots pretending to care, the government did this to benefit not because they care for each and everyone of us.
Why not make people over 65 every 10 years take their practical license again.
Those old people are more of a threat to the roads that us young kids are.
So to everyone who works in a government department, when you go home at night and you lay in bed with your licence stowed away in a safe place why not just stop for a second and think how you would feel if it was you having to go through this shit. How would you feel if you had to get a weekend job to save up for this license while all your mates went and played sports on weekends and went to parties.
I believe that if the government compared its license scheme to other countries or states scheme it would come out as one of the most expensive licenses to get in the world.
The problem is they just dont care about us. The government has now made the mistake and will have to pay for it.
Thanks Peter Beatie you ve really won my vote, NOT!!!
so these New laws are geting a bit out of hand, i agree with the car restrictions.
But the Curfew, limiting passangers and undergo a hazard perception test.
First of all the curfew is stupid i do shift work, and by you inforcing this law i will lose my job!
The limiting passangers again stupid, me and my work mates car pool becasue it works out cheaper for all of us. As we are on stingy wages!
As for the course that is just pathetic, you keep telling us that we are adults and blah blah blah at 18, how do u expect us to fork out money for this course i hope the govenment is paying for it,
You may think you are doing the right thing but by doing this you are putting more young lives at risk, wat about the have a designated driver?
???
? how can there be one if you wont let us drive at night/ have limit s on passengers.
This whole plan isnt thought out very well you are contradicting your selves by saying be safe have a designated driver but yet you are putting in laws that over right that.
Us 18 year olds are on a under 21 wage. so we dont get the ADULT wage. how do you expect us to keep coughing up money so it can go towards other stuff, wen we need as much as we can get, i work enough over time just to make ends meet, with paying the rent, food, fuel, bills and everyday living.
In july i will have my licence for 1.5 years so does that mean i have to follow these new rules??
?
Or will these laws only apply to new drivers after july? Hey i m kaylah about these new rules i think they dnt apply to me coz i was born on the 13/07/90.
but i was wondering when i go for my l s test(written) before i can drive: how many people can i drive with?
can i drive on the high way?
how many paid driving test do i have to do?
i m really confused about everything! i want to do everything right. please can you reply asap i want to go for it asap
Hi im turning 16 this year and i want to know the 100 hours learning on-road who will be paying for that?
? i personally think some of the rules are really stupid.
Who will be paying the $4000 thousands dollars.
because i certainly won t i m bairly getting enough money as it is. You government people really like to take money off of us! Don t you !
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Also it s not just young adults that are being silly on roads there are older people that are also being silly on road you can t always blame the younger adults Always seem to be easier that way does nt it! Blaming the younger people.
With all the new laws all you are going to do is piss people off and make things worse.. and who going to be the blame!
!! you are.
. the government i really hope you have a second think on what you are doing!!
i do not agree with all of the restrictions that have been introduced.
However the government did have a 6 month consultation process where young people could make submissions regarding the new rules. you could fill itout via web or paper
Qld did also have forums you could attend so you could speak your opinions that these suck and why they suck.
there was publicity about this through the media, through schools, through newspapers, posters ect it was absolutely everywhere.
Why didn t you all speak up about this while there was a consultation process like i did, i filled in submissions told everyone i could and also attened the forums.
this way you have your say and maybe laws like this will not be introduced next time.
Okay im really peved off now, after reading these new rules. The main one is the enforcing of high-powered vehicles ahm how the hell r they going to enforce that??
? Ok i own a nissan 180sx it is turbo charged direct inject 4 cylinda, my mate owns a holden com 98 model v6 now it has way more power than my car way more, and i bet any amount of money that the police and goverment would both say that my car is unexceptable because it is a sports-turbo car, yet my friends which is much more heavy and alot lot lot more powerful is much more dangerous would pass this new goverment (bullshit) policy.
Ok there was a shite load of crashes on the weekend as well like what 6?
? But there was only 2 young drivers under 25 out of those 6??
well i dunno should we let the old farts on the road who probably couldn t tell u more than 5 road rules continue being the crap drivers, they need re-education on driving as well i think.
The worse thing on the road 2 is those god damn 4WD i mean they guzzle our short supply of petrol and pollute so badlly they are an eye sore disgusting things you cant see past them in traffic so they are a major hazard and i bet you that if a 4WD is in a car accident with a normal family car that the 4WD will come away with the driver with a few injuries and a broken bone and the family well there having fun up in the fluffy white clouds of heaven. Okay i went a little over board but i mean hardly any 4WD owners actually use their vehicles for what they were designed and i think that the goverment should bloody well ban them as they are a huge part of that satistic of on road deaths.
To finish of with i dont think this whole new law will work in any effect to be honest, cause if mr beattie and the rest of those board of wankers really thinks that this will work there heads are really that far up there arse s that they trully are just smelling the tax payers money (4000$ for 100 hours learners) and there own political bullshit. What are they going to do come up with some sort of new high-power test to say no im sorry ur car is too power full for someone so young to drive ??
???
wtf a ok mate well u can go buy me a new one I am 15 and get my learners in 11 months time, on march the 2nd 2008, i first would like to say that i agree with one rule that they have implemented, this is
•lowering the minimum learner age to 16 and extending the licence period to 12 months.
What i would like to know is what you mean by this law,
•high-powered vehicle restrictions for provisional drivers under 25.
What is a high powered car to the Queensland Transport Center, are you saying no V8 s or V6 s, no matter wether you implement this law 4 cylinder cars still go fast and still speed, I know people who have recieved there license and bought 4 cylinder cars and drive at high speeds already.
Maybe the Queensland transport department should just leave the laws as they are not tamper with them.. cause when you tamper with things they can only become worse The reaction of alot of you young drivers is the exact reason these laws are needed its a sham the honest ones (however rare they seem to be) have to suffer for the immature idiots.
If your wondering what im referring to its the comments like I dont care more rules for me to break , these are laws not just rules, if you think of laws so lightly why not go rob a bank, kill someone or worse, those are only laws who cares right?.The laws have been light on young drivers and all theyve ever done was kill themselves and others.
I just wish they added one more thing to the list, once you lose your liscence thats it, no second chances you get enough points in your first chance, and i mean for all drivers 17-80, theres no excuse for losing 12 points (or 4 for the short P plate time when you should be on your best behaviour and not get fined anyway)
As for the powerful car restrictions if you think about it they more then likely will use power to weight ratios not just raw power, so all your turbo diesils, factory turbocharger and superchargers will more then likely fall below the acceptable level.
Wish theyd had these rules in 6 years ago, maybe the couple of friends I lost in car accidents swould still be alive. 32 per cent of our road toll 106 fatalities came as a result of young driver crashes.
Im pretty sure my maths is fairly good does that not mean that 68% of all other crashes come as a result of EVERY BLOODY BODY ELSE!!!
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And I found that your statement is false 32% of crashes involved young drivers not came as a result of the only reason you people want to give us all these rules is because your all gettting old and cant stand the sound of our loud music and noisy exhuast systems, get a grip Old Foggies your just getting old and you dont like it.
and if u want to pick on someone pick on 4WD drivers , 4WD accidents have increased by 85 percent in the last 4 years, oh hang on you old people drive 4WD s I guess you have to pass the blame on to someone like little children do when they draw on the wall.
Hi. I m an australien siticent living in Denmark.
When I move back to Australia I will have had my danish licens for 3 years and be 21.
Does any one know how these new laws will effect me?
Do I have to have 100 hours of driving?
so,
ok, how does all this work?
so does that mean the new laws effect me? or do i follow the old laws?
(because my friend said, becasue im 16 before the new laws, the old laws effect me)
what is the deal?
I came across this site by accident, I am delighted to know that finally young motorists will be required to complete intensive driving training before having the PRIVLEDGE to drive vehicles.
I understand that many people regard these new laws of safety as an inconvience, and costly. However driving is not a RIGHT, it carries with it RESPONSIBILITY that will be obtained by these new laws.
I also agree that all motorists regardless of age need to be able to demonstrate safe driving skills, and have a medical check to ensure they have not lost ability to remain safe behind the wheel.
I also feel that part of driver training and maintaining a licence, drivers should also be required to maintain a current First Aid Certificate as part of their licence.
To obtain a Drivers Licence is costly, so is buying a car, so is paying for rehabilitation or funerals after being injured in a MVA.
It is also a greater inconvenience to be dead or be left with life-long injuries as a result of an MVA.
I know, I have suffered greatly because of another motorists neglect behind the wheel. I was driving my car safely.
My life will never be the same again, my injuries are permanant, but at least I am still alive. Honestly i figure we all kick up a fuss and shove it up there ass.
i understand that the Queensland government is employing more coppers to patrol the roads due to these laws but will they have enough?
i turn 16 in a week, does that mean that i can go for my learners on the first of july?
because from then you only need to be 16 to go for your l s?
what do i do about getting my l s anyway?
frankly fuck the coppers, fuck the government and fuck beatey.
i understand that the coppers keep us safe and i respect that.
this is crossing the line, the government is skating on thin ice here and its going to come back and bite them in the ass if they dont do something about it soon.
It s annoying because I turned 16 two weeks ago.
Which means I ll be like, 16 and 3 months when the new laws come out.
So I ll end up getting my learners earlier.
But my license itself later.
Pretty sure my parents are gonna LOVE that.
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