The Hibernian play is turning into Macbeth without the laughs
Jill Stone  |  by www.theherald.co.uk. All rights reserved. 17.04 | 0:18

The Hibernian play is turning into Macbeth without the laughs. The last twist in the plot, following an intriguing no-score draw with Dunfermline at the National Stadium yesterday afternoon, occurred when the leading actor pulled out and was replaced at the post-match press conference by an understudy who has been known to supply lines.
The absence of John Collins, the Hibernian manager, was explained by Tommy Craig, his assistant, as being the result of the manager's family having just flown in from abroad and Collins' desire to spend some time with them.

He is going to be spending an awful lot more time with them if he doesn't acquaint himself with the realities of the situation he faces.
Collins spoke to radio and television interviewers, pointing out he "knew who to trust and who not to trust" after a week when a revolt by some players destabilised the club.
He added in an interview with BBC Scotland: "We've had a difficult week, there was a lot of pressure on the players, but they've responded.

I ask football players to live their lives as professionals. I only want what's best for the players. Whenever I ask them to do something, it's for their benefit, they get the rewards in the end, they all know that.


Posted by: Phil McCracken, Edinburgh on 11:48pm Sun 15 Apr 07
John Collins did infact leave Hampden and meet up with his family at the main door of the south stand.

I am not surprised though that he did not have time to meet with the press, especially when 9/10 of the questions are about events off the park!!
The press throughout the week tried their best to get the story but Hibs quite rightly decided it best to keep it in house, yet the press won't let it lie.

Hibs had just played in the semi-final of the major domestic cup yet I would wager that all the press were huddled in a corner discussing why certain players were left out and whether they had any part to play in any dressing room problems.
It's time to move on guys, the story is over. Move on

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Posted by: Tam, Edinburgh on 12:26am today
Phil, now you know what it's been like to be a Hearts fan over the last couple of seasons. Rumours, innuendo, mountains out of molehills and pressmen taking the hump.

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Posted by: wolfie nz, nz on 12:53am today
you two sound like you,ve never read a newspaper before.

im assuming you are familiar with the concepts: tabloid, journalist,story and sales. ive got news for you, this type of journalism has been happening for over a hundred years and will merrily continue on for many to come. and heres further news.

its not only smalltime scottish football clubs that are targeted, but celebritys, politicians, members of the public ,civil servants,educators, and( wait for it) even royalty. so next time some nasty man tells tales about hibs dont get offended. be grateful they are even mentioned .

after all, hibs dont really do a lot most of the time.

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Posted by: Phil McCracken, Edinburgh on 1:32am today
Wolfie, I am not niave enough to know that when a story breaks that the tabloids, especially the red tops will go all out for a sensational.

The incident was last week and came to light after the Pars SPL match with us. This story is dragging it's heals and the media will get nothing from Hibs, unless Mr petrie comes out and makes a statement.
Believe it or not, there was a match in the major domestic cup competition yesterday, yet when we pick up a newspaper all we see is turmoil at Hibs!

! Quite frankly I for one am bored to tears with it and would rather read a report on the game itself.
The media, you would think would get the hint that after a certain period of time that they are not going to get the answers they want, yet they spend the whole press conference asking idiotic questions that are either going to be deflected or given a completely different answer.


All the newspapers are doing is alienating themselves from both club and fans. Just ask the Daily Record who can't even give away their evening edition to the people of Edinburgh!!

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Posted by: Phil McCracken, Edinburgh on 1:38am today
Tam wrote:
Phil, now you know what it's been like to be a Hearts fan over the last couple of seasons. Rumours, innuendo, mountains out of molehills and pressmen taking the hump.

Tam, we have heard the saying about the media circus, well it looks like the clowns are refusing to go away.
They certainly don't like anyone challenging the dominance of the Old Firm. There are presently 2 trophies in Edinburgh and here's hoping it stays that way come the end of May :-)
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Posted by: wolfie, nz on 1:57am today
i can see why hibs fans are upset. but is anyone really suprised. this is the nature of the press.

they can be very useful or very destructive. be thankful it hasnt degenerated to the levels you get in england..

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.yet. and whoever plays celtic in the final good luck to them.

we could do with some new names( outside of the old firm) on the scottish cup, for the good of our game.

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Posted by: Fidelio, Gold Coast, Australia on 2:05am today
The article begins with the sentence: The Hibernian play is turning into Macbeth without the laughs.
Macbeth is a tragedy and not a comedy. The last time I read or saw Macbeth, there were no laughs whatsoever.


Last time I watched it was a few years ago at the Edinburgh Festival, laugh I thought my pants would never dry. Suppose it depends on the performance, maybe we could rename Collins MacBeth, there does seem to be a number of knives aimed at him.

Fidelio,
Last time I watched it was a few years ago at the Edinburgh Festival, laugh I thought my pants would never dry.

Suppose it depends on the performance, maybe we could rename Collins MacBeth, there does seem to be a number of knives aimed at him.

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Posted by: Finbar Bryson, Nottingham,UK on 4:24am today
Good luck to John Collins.If certain sections of the press treat decent football people with direspect then they will get what they project.

Problem is they then through their dummies out the pram.Agree with Phil,Fidelio etc etc above.Move on from this tedious story and stop trying to be clever with references to Shakespeare.

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it's a tragedy not a comedy.Who's the editor allowing this inaccurate guff to be printed??

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Posted by: Fidelio on 5:05am today
broomageboy wrote:
Fidelio, Last time I watched it was a few years ago at the Edinburgh Festival, laugh I thought my pants would never dry.

Suppose it depends on the performance, maybe we could rename Collins MacBeth, there does seem to be a number of knives aimed at him.

Broomageboy, are you not confusing Macbeth with Julius Caesar? It was the Roman Emperor who suffered the night of the long knives, not Macbeth.

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Posted by: Fidelio on 5:22am today
On a slight diversion, though entirely connected, where is the sense in or the justification for having replays for Scottish Cup semi-finals?


I can see the point in earlier rounds, where a team which has achieved a draw away from home, gets the chance to take the game to their own stadium. I can understand the joy of a lower division club winnng the chance of going to a replay at an SPL ground, with all the financial rewards that go with it. But why have replays for the semi-finals?

After all, they are played at neutral venues, so what is wrong with allowing extra-time and penalties, as happens in the final, no less.
I think it is all about money. The SFA makes more money out of replays.

But what of the long-suffering fans who have to fork-out double the expense for a midweek replay, just to see a conclusion which could easily have been achieved on the original weekend game.

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Posted by: James, Edinburgh on 6:55am today
Why should John Collins speak to the print media after all the drivel that has been written about him in the last week?
Go stuff yourselves.
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Posted by: DC1 on 6:55am today
If Hibs fans feel hard done by, welcome to reality. Throughout last season John Hartson had a raft of reporters camped outside his house in the hope of following up on the story of his separation from his wife.
Not to mention the Daily Record following the Celtic team to Newcastle for their Christmas night out then printing lies on the front page about them being Thugs and Thieves.


But hey, don't let the truth get in the way of statements like :-
They certainly don't like anyone challenging the dominance of the Old Firm.
Its all a big west coast conspiracy you see.

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Posted by: Jack, Edinburgh on 8:44am today
Collins? This guy is an immature fool. He just shows off and then shows off again.


His days are numbered. People detest show offs. No need for it.

If only he could see the way he really looks.

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Posted by: teamdroid on 8:55am today
Fidelio, it's called irony. Describing the situation as MacBeth without the laughs is showing just how desperately unfunny it is.

Oh, and there is a knife-pointing scene in MacBeth - have you actually read/seen it?

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Posted by: Dougie, Tillicoutry on 9:20am today
Given Collins has won Hibs first trophy that wasn't in Black and White i think he has every right to be 'showing off' , whatever that means.

He is the manager and his results on the park have been good, most fans and players will be satisfied. They are on the verge of a second final in the same season. If I were a player or a fan its clear that he is doing something right.

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Posted by: James Dunn on 9:51am today
Looks like JC is encountering the same problems faced by Paul le Guen - professional footballers resisting new methods they don't like.


The article begins with the sentence: The Hibernian play is turning into Macbeth without the laughs. Macbeth is a tragedy and not a comedy. The last time I read or saw Macbeth, there were no laughs whatsoever.

Mr McDonald, stick to writing about football and don't try and be clever by introducing literary references. You just end up looking foolish.[/quote] Fidelio, I don't think it's Mr McD that needs to brush up on his literary skills.

Your knowledge of irony reminds me of that young madam Alanis Morissette...

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. it's not ironic if it rains on your wedding day ya silly bint or if youve got hunners of spoons when all you want is a knife

Fidelio wrote:
The article begins with the sentence: The Hibernian play is turning into Macbeth without the laughs. Macbeth is a tragedy and not a comedy.

The last time I read or saw Macbeth, there were no laughs whatsoever. Mr McDonald, stick to writing about football and don't try and be clever by introducing literary references. You just end up looking foolish.

Fidelio, I don't think it's Mr McD that needs to brush up on his literary skills. Your knowledge of irony reminds me of that young madam Alanis Morissette..

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.. it's not ironic if it rains on your wedding day ya silly bint or if youve got hunners of spoons when all you want is a knife

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Posted by: Vince, Glasgow on 10:28am today
'Collins could not, however, find 10 minutes for newspaper reporters.

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What arrogance from the press yet again. You go in the same huff with Gordon Strachan every time he doesn't dance like the puppet you want him to be. You are not entitled to know everything nor are those you are focussed on obliged to do all you want.

You were there to get post match response from the club - not a person. You got that! Dry your eyes.

As is listed above - he genuinely was meeting his family. Far higher on his priority list than you!
James - I think you were being a bit generous with your reference to professional players.


The story should never have been about John Collins. We know he was always the professional as a player with ref. to his fitness etc.

I suspect the fuss is that he wanted his players to have the same dedication instead of being a bunch of lazy b's. I didn't see it but if you believe the somments about them all being dead at the end of the game then he's right isn't he. Part reason why Celtic and Rangers win some games is 'cause they have the fitness to last 90 minutes far better than the other teams.

I wonder why - John Collins knows why and is trying to do something about it.
The press should be criticising the players, not the manager.
P.

S. Hearts are a pub team (even if they did win) - at least in terms of team selection - seems to be decided on a whim over a pint - nothing methodical about it. Get wise.

JC was using it motivationally. Again why is this being cast up against him? Only 'cause it sounds good.

It was great because it set up some cracking - and amusing - banter. You think he's going to lose sleep cause they took the huff. He'll only be sorry because they won the last game.

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Posted by: Alasdair Mann on 10:44am today
It would be helpful if they scrapped replays and just went into extra-time. This gives both Hibs and Dunfermline less recovery time from their league matches this week, and another unnecessary fixture ahead of the releagtion six-pointer at Love Street. Plus extra-time's more exciting.

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Posted by: Fraser Nicol, Kilwinning on 1:00pm today
Is there something in the Edinburgh water, first of all we have the joke that is Tynecastle, yes rumour innuendo and more which a lot of unfortunately proved to be true, now we have Hibs who quite rightly won a trophy this season, a trophy that in real terms means nothing, by that i mean no European football now going into self destruct, a side with some promising talent who do play some really good football now about to be ruined by a inexperienced arrogant egotist.
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Posted by: 10-2, Yer maw on 1:07pm today
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Posted by: Bob Carnethy, Edinburgh on 1:18pm today
For a match report this is a poor piece by MacDonald that demonstrates journalist's petulance more than anything else. Journalists do tend to view themselves and their profession as the centre of the universe.

Thus we have MacDonald's very obvious pique that Collins could not find 10 minutes for newspaper reporters . Oh dear!
If the knives are out for Collins.

.. he goes on to add.

Well, whose knives would those be? Journalists like MacDonald we have to presume. Not, I think, Collins' employer, and certainly not the Hibs fans who yesterday gave such clear support for John Collins that it must have made MacDonald and other men of the press squirm.


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Posted by: Gus Abraham on 1:29pm today
Hibs are just doing what Rangers couldn't with Le Guen, pushing through contemporary European practice on fitness, health and diet, and good for them. It will continue us in good stead as we develope the best young football team in Scotland.


I dont see what the problem is about Hibs Asst Manager taking a press conference. This is such a total NON-STORY.

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Posted by: Bob, Stirling on 1:35pm today
OK, so the story of the dressing room row last weekend breaks with suggestions of player discontent.

Now, how would the HIbs fans have reacted if it wasn't followed up? They would have cited west coast bias, no?
Also, they were in the papers - as were Dunfermline, Celtic and St Johnstone - all last week as part of the build up to showpiece matches.

Surely the circumstances at the club impinge on preparations? In fact, Collins admitted as much saying it had been a tough week.
And another thing.

Journalist, I always understood, went to press conferences and the like as representatives of the public, the fans, so they know what is happening at their club. Surely by refusing to speak, the club are depriving their supporters of information, not just the press?

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Posted by: pete sake, london on 1:52pm today
Hugh MacDonald you should be ashamed of yourself. Abusing your position to make open threats to John Collins about his need to communicate with you if he wants to keep his job is pretty low in my book.
So TV got the story and you hacks didnt.

Your right in one thing in your article, the public neither noticed or cared, so stop taking liberties by using limited column inches to make childish threats.

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Posted by: balfur on 2:41pm today
Phil McCracken wrote:
John Collins did infact leave Hampden and meet up with his family at the main door of the south stand.

I am not surprised though that he did not have time to meet with the press, especially when 9/10 of the questions are about events off the park!! The press throughout the week tried their best to get the story but Hibs quite rightly decided it best to keep it in house, yet the press won't let it lie.

Hibs had just played in the semi-final of the major domestic cup yet I would wager that all the press were huddled in a corner discussing why certain players were left out and whether they had any part to play in any dressing room problems. It's time to move on guys, the story is over. Move on

nice name!

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Posted by: Phil McCracken, Edinburgh on 2:59pm today
balfur wrote:
Phil McCracken wrote: John Collins did infact leave Hampden and meet up with his family at the main door of the south stand. I am not surprised though that he did not have time to meet with the press, especially when 9/10 of the questions are about events off the park!

! The press throughout the week tried their best to get the story but Hibs quite rightly decided it best to keep it in house, yet the press won't let it lie. Hibs had just played in the semi-final of the major domestic cup yet I would wager that all the press were huddled in a corner discussing why certain players were left out and whether they had any part to play in any dressing room problems.

It's time to move on guys, the story is over. Move on

nice name!
Was nearly Ben Doonigan :-)
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